To me it's rather obvious Hancock is right in many areas. There almost assuredly have been cultures far advanced in ways we are not that have come and gone considering we've supposedly been around for 250-300k years. It seems rather unlikely that we at the apex, or as western civilization suggests that we are on a straight line of progress. If our brains were mostly the same as they are now then it just wouldn't take that long to advance.
Also, I believe the wisest cultures probably left little trace intentionally. Likely living in balance with nature; choosing symbiosis instead of domination. Only an idiotic culture sans grace, humility or wisdom would choose to scar the earth as we have.
Further, dominator societies lie all the time about history. They are constantly creating narratives of convenience as we can clearly see happening now.
“Also, I believe the wisest cultures probably left little trace intentionally. Likely living in balance with nature; choosing symbiosis instead of domination. Only an idiotic culture sans grace, humility or wisdom would choose to scar the earth as we have.”
Here's a thought- ancient stargazing could have been put to two practical purposes. 1) For agriculture. 2) The tracking of the migratory patterns of prey animals. Aquaculture is also a strong contender for a pretty advanced society.
There are two basic presuppositions baked into archaeology. 1) An advanced culture would necessarily need to advance beyond supplementary agriculture. 2) That an advanced culture would necessarily share its technology with its neighbours. Both are untrue assumptions. Cultural expansionism was actually driven by the Malthusian necessity of the high breeding caused by the subsistence which typified ALL agriculture before the early 1800s.
The means by which an advanced hunter culture would propagate would be by splintering, with the offshoot (and covert) group going off in search of rare fortuitous springs of prey abundance with predictable migratory cycles. Narrow channels between mountain regions would have been ideal locations.
Did you see another Joe Rogan podcast just dropped? This time it's an engineer going up against the archaeologists! During the pandemic, world leading data scientists and epidemiologists were forced to eat humble pie, as a South African engineer looked at the data and not only adjusted the models towards accurately, but also made them nearly 100% predictive.
Don't mess with the engineers. His name is Christopher Dunn and the episode dropped 14 hours ago.
I guess I would side with you partly, but then add that Dibble's point regarding shipwrecks is very compelling to me. He is right, a 30,000 year old ship would still be preserved at depths where we often find Polynesian and other ancient vessels. Did this wise culture also dredge up their shipwrecks? Maybe they were so advanced, that the UFOs we see really are us, or a form of us that erased all traces of itself to allow the other humans to advance without input. If Ray Bradbury could think of it for Star Fleet's rules and regulations, then I suppose an advanced human 30,000 years ago also could have.
Glad you found Hancock's work. I learned of it years ago and went farther down that rabbit hole. There are a lot of researchers (Billy Carson, Erich Von Daniken to name two) with interesting ideas in the same camp as Hancock. What they've compiled is difficult to dispute for those with an open mind.
It's interesting that the academics label Hancock's work pseudoarcheology. Academia labels natural health research pseudoscience, even though it's been around for thousands of years whereas academia's medical gods have only been around for just over 100. Of course, their $trillion business would take a hit if people ever got on board with natural health, and you can't have that - can you.
OH, and let's not forget - there's the interesting bit of the evidence that our DNA was spliced 200,000 years ago and that we didn't evolve. Gregg Braden calls it the God code and yeah - it's a big red pill to swallow.
Damn! First of all, I totally agree with you on your second paragraph, and I’m gonna need to dive into that Gregg Braden info if you gave a link you could share!
Graham Hancock is a history revisionist and Flint Dibble is a Zionist. Graham isn't denying history he's trying to shed light on our past, so that we can learn from it. Flint Dibble is going to great lengths to deny any such thing happened. You have to ask the question why are they so adamant about their story? What are they hiding? Part of our problem today is that we aren't taught the truth about our histories, so how can we learn from them.
Example: We are taught things like the civil war was all about freeing the slaves. At least that's what I was taught. And that Honest Abe was a great president. Wrong on both accounts. This interview explains so much.
And then ask yourself why are we taught lies and propaganda.
One more example. If you recall the press pushing the similarity between Hitler and Putin. There is a similarity between them but not in the way the pressditutes push.
I have no idea why Flint Dibble is not even remotely interested in even listening to another idea , but if one digs deeper they'll find out who his handlers are, and perhaps what's their agenda.
If we knew the truth they wouldn’t be able to control us.
Melissa (Thinking Man’s co creator) and I were just talking about the civil war, wondering if what we know about it is true and if it was the start of the government taking our freedoms away or not—when did that begin? So I’m definitely going to need to take a look at the article you shared on that, and the second one sounds interesting too. Welcome to Thinking Man! We love hearing voices like yours to add to our discussions.
The thing that I have seen zero discussion on is have archeologists studied the sites Hancock dove at?
It doesn’t seem like Hancock thinks he hasn’t evidence but rather that he is pointing at things and saying “this is intriguing, let’s study that.”
Seems to me that there is an opportunity for Dibble to get funding by befriending Hancock. Why not have “real” archeologist do a dive at these sights and study them?
Im sure they’re worried about being proven wrong. It would be a huge blow to their credibility. It’s a shame, but I really think that’s where we’re at with this stuff.
Good question. In all honesty I think Hancock failed in defending himself against Dibble. Several talking points I was sure he was going to bring up he didnt, and chose to argue about Dibble’s tweets about him instead of using his information to win the debate. Maybe Rogan (who has taken a more PC approach to his views given the size of his reach now) told Hancock he couldn’t go all in on making Dibble look bad. If you saw the Bart Sibrel episode from last week (moon landing is a hoax guy—which I think is true lol) Joe was arguing against Sibrel’s “theory” even though he’s gone on record saying he believes the moon landing was a hoax, too. It made me think Joe must have people behind the scenes telling him he can’t be too extreme if he wants to keep his status as #1 podcast in the world.
Either way, had Hancock asked him to go to the sites, Dibble would have scoffed (like he did the entire episode) and say it wasn’t worth his time.
Absolutely! I post his stuff in What I'm Watching often - I make it a habit to follow his work. Hancock and others are teaming up with him to make a film about the Lake Von discovery and their interpretations, especially as it relates to altering the accepted timeline. I'm excited to see where that goes.
I agree with you on Hancock. He’s on a never ending quest for the truth. So are we. It’s what separates us from the other side who are so stuck in their ways.
Any and all "establishments" and mainstream societies or cultists get extremely upset if anyone dares to challenge their presumed laws and beliefs about how things work or how things were. So many of these fake experts garner rewards (fame and money) from inventing history and re-creating history as their masters dictate.
I have watched Hancock's show and found it rather interesting. When someone tries to uproot the firmly accepted dogma of the majority, I take notice. What we think we know about history could be completely different than what really happened. Remember, for any event in history, things happened only one way, just as they are happening today. I think in many instances what we present as established history is far from the truth.
There’s an author local to me, Robert Bowie Johnson, who has several books on how Egypt and Greece are celebrations of this predeluvian culture (he believes in the literalness of Noah’s Ark). Many parallels. Major cultures, wiped out, then preserved through a dark time only to revive at a later time.
The Left today is a toxic, dour, decaying ideology that seemingly seeks ever more power. I can't recall any leftist theorist who had a playful, curious, humanistic approach and engaged the public magnanimously. Prehistory can never be nailed down 100%, it is by its nature exploratory & based on hypothesis. I enjoy Hancock's speculative approach.
We've had one unrepentent descent into literal genocide by the international left, and they seem intent on doing a repeat. Why do we give the left any credence at all at this stage? They're our era's Nazi scourge.
Dibble also flatly denied that he accused Hancock of white supremacy even when presented with undeniable proof from his own writing. The guy came off as a total weasel from my perspective. Hancock has an uphill battle with these types because they have deemed themselves the one and only authorities on truth. They do not like researchers who colour outside of the lines.
Yep, and when the hiveminds on reddit and X get behind the “mainstream” side it just reeks of them trying to silence a voice who might be saying something true.
The best argument against an ice age civilization that Dibble brought up was the dangerously low CO2 levels, which at the time would have reduced agricultural yields to untenable levels.
I've been following Hancock since Fingerprints. His ideas are, if nothing else, very interesting.
You might also dig Julian Jaynes' The Origin of Consciousness.
Danny Vendramini's Them and Us looks to be in a similar cryptohistoric vein. I haven't got to it yet.
Thanks for the suggestions I’ll definitely check them out! I agree with you on Dibble’s argument there, but I still think there’s a lot out there lying undiscovered/never can be found.
Nice read, John. I'm right behind Graham Hancock. If I were a young man, I'd study the lost ancient civilisations to PhD level and call Mr Hancock, my liege! He's been up against it right from day one, and kudos to the man for never backing down, sticking to what he believes is the truth. I have never swallowed imaginings purported in religions and other fictions without evidence, and there is ample to support Graham's claims of a lost age and a cataclysm that near wiped it off the face of the Earth. Can I recommend Christopher Dunn, Roland Carlson, UnchartedX, Ancient Architects and Bright Insight [on YouTube] and Hammet's Mill? Good to meet you.
Thanks, Gareth! Good to meet you too. Glad to have your voice in the discussions. I have to say I’ve thought about pursuing this on a full time basis and trying to reach out to some of the guys, like Hancock, who have been doing it.
Also, looks like we have similar taste, I’ve watched/listened to everyone you’ve mentioned outside of Hammet’s Mill. My followup post to this one actually discusses Christopher Dunn’s great pyramid theory. If you’re interested here’s the link:
I don’t have to believe in God, I know. — Carl G Jung
The “thing” that prevents us from seeing the truth is a fear within ourselves. Anyone who stands up against the crowd can see and be the truth.
We remain in this state through our own fear. Look into that hole in recent history where nobody dares go, where all the books were burned, where men, women, and little children were locked up falsely accused as “witches/etc”.
There are multiple holes in history. The one that really made me open my eyes is the “heretic” accusations by the holy roman tyrannical empire, and Irenaeus et.al. They murdered the Cathars, they murdered the Templars … and the Manichies, the Aztecs, Arians, etc. And hunted down and burned all their books, destroyed all their relics. Vespasian (burners of the Temple in Jerusalem) previously hunted down all the Druid priests in Europe.
Hitler repeated it, Stalin, Hillary in Libya recently. They are burning USA monuments and history today, in the name of tyranny, and nobody will stand up or can stand up.
This heresy against the Roman “universal” church is still standing forbidden today. Read Valentinus “Gospel of Truth”. It is hard to do, not because it is not a good translation but because our minds are programmed to not be able to see the concepts, ideas that would have been easily understood by anyone before the Jewish War.
Funny you mention that. For the book club we do here we’ve been reading The Name of the Rose which history dumps the inquisitions of heretics during the Middle Ages
To me it's rather obvious Hancock is right in many areas. There almost assuredly have been cultures far advanced in ways we are not that have come and gone considering we've supposedly been around for 250-300k years. It seems rather unlikely that we at the apex, or as western civilization suggests that we are on a straight line of progress. If our brains were mostly the same as they are now then it just wouldn't take that long to advance.
Also, I believe the wisest cultures probably left little trace intentionally. Likely living in balance with nature; choosing symbiosis instead of domination. Only an idiotic culture sans grace, humility or wisdom would choose to scar the earth as we have.
Further, dominator societies lie all the time about history. They are constantly creating narratives of convenience as we can clearly see happening now.
“Also, I believe the wisest cultures probably left little trace intentionally. Likely living in balance with nature; choosing symbiosis instead of domination. Only an idiotic culture sans grace, humility or wisdom would choose to scar the earth as we have.”
Lol so true!
Here's a thought- ancient stargazing could have been put to two practical purposes. 1) For agriculture. 2) The tracking of the migratory patterns of prey animals. Aquaculture is also a strong contender for a pretty advanced society.
There are two basic presuppositions baked into archaeology. 1) An advanced culture would necessarily need to advance beyond supplementary agriculture. 2) That an advanced culture would necessarily share its technology with its neighbours. Both are untrue assumptions. Cultural expansionism was actually driven by the Malthusian necessity of the high breeding caused by the subsistence which typified ALL agriculture before the early 1800s.
The means by which an advanced hunter culture would propagate would be by splintering, with the offshoot (and covert) group going off in search of rare fortuitous springs of prey abundance with predictable migratory cycles. Narrow channels between mountain regions would have been ideal locations.
Thanks for this. I love the points you bring up.
Did you see another Joe Rogan podcast just dropped? This time it's an engineer going up against the archaeologists! During the pandemic, world leading data scientists and epidemiologists were forced to eat humble pie, as a South African engineer looked at the data and not only adjusted the models towards accurately, but also made them nearly 100% predictive.
Don't mess with the engineers. His name is Christopher Dunn and the episode dropped 14 hours ago.
Just saw it now. Need to check it out asap. I’ll get back to you on it!
I guess I would side with you partly, but then add that Dibble's point regarding shipwrecks is very compelling to me. He is right, a 30,000 year old ship would still be preserved at depths where we often find Polynesian and other ancient vessels. Did this wise culture also dredge up their shipwrecks? Maybe they were so advanced, that the UFOs we see really are us, or a form of us that erased all traces of itself to allow the other humans to advance without input. If Ray Bradbury could think of it for Star Fleet's rules and regulations, then I suppose an advanced human 30,000 years ago also could have.
Edit: Gene Roddenberry not Ray Bradbury.
Glad you found Hancock's work. I learned of it years ago and went farther down that rabbit hole. There are a lot of researchers (Billy Carson, Erich Von Daniken to name two) with interesting ideas in the same camp as Hancock. What they've compiled is difficult to dispute for those with an open mind.
It's interesting that the academics label Hancock's work pseudoarcheology. Academia labels natural health research pseudoscience, even though it's been around for thousands of years whereas academia's medical gods have only been around for just over 100. Of course, their $trillion business would take a hit if people ever got on board with natural health, and you can't have that - can you.
OH, and let's not forget - there's the interesting bit of the evidence that our DNA was spliced 200,000 years ago and that we didn't evolve. Gregg Braden calls it the God code and yeah - it's a big red pill to swallow.
Damn! First of all, I totally agree with you on your second paragraph, and I’m gonna need to dive into that Gregg Braden info if you gave a link you could share!
Here's a link to the book: https://www.amazon.com/God-Code-Secret-Promise-Future/dp/1401903002
Here's a short clip: https://youtu.be/jMtt8Wvm1NM?si=Eom9StKQGNU_xh3-
Awesome, thanks
Synchronicity. Listened to Braden last 2 days. Phenomenal.
Thank you..I'm not down the rabbit hole alone
Graham Hancock is a history revisionist and Flint Dibble is a Zionist. Graham isn't denying history he's trying to shed light on our past, so that we can learn from it. Flint Dibble is going to great lengths to deny any such thing happened. You have to ask the question why are they so adamant about their story? What are they hiding? Part of our problem today is that we aren't taught the truth about our histories, so how can we learn from them.
Example: We are taught things like the civil war was all about freeing the slaves. At least that's what I was taught. And that Honest Abe was a great president. Wrong on both accounts. This interview explains so much.
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/understanding-the-civil-war/
And then ask yourself why are we taught lies and propaganda.
One more example. If you recall the press pushing the similarity between Hitler and Putin. There is a similarity between them but not in the way the pressditutes push.
Hitler-Putin
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-putin-as-hitler/
I have no idea why Flint Dibble is not even remotely interested in even listening to another idea , but if one digs deeper they'll find out who his handlers are, and perhaps what's their agenda.
If we knew the truth they wouldn’t be able to control us.
Melissa (Thinking Man’s co creator) and I were just talking about the civil war, wondering if what we know about it is true and if it was the start of the government taking our freedoms away or not—when did that begin? So I’m definitely going to need to take a look at the article you shared on that, and the second one sounds interesting too. Welcome to Thinking Man! We love hearing voices like yours to add to our discussions.
Read the book " the south was right".
The thing that I have seen zero discussion on is have archeologists studied the sites Hancock dove at?
It doesn’t seem like Hancock thinks he hasn’t evidence but rather that he is pointing at things and saying “this is intriguing, let’s study that.”
Seems to me that there is an opportunity for Dibble to get funding by befriending Hancock. Why not have “real” archeologist do a dive at these sights and study them?
Im sure they’re worried about being proven wrong. It would be a huge blow to their credibility. It’s a shame, but I really think that’s where we’re at with this stuff.
But why wouldn’t Hancock push back on this? Why not straight up ask “have you investigated these sites?”
Good question. In all honesty I think Hancock failed in defending himself against Dibble. Several talking points I was sure he was going to bring up he didnt, and chose to argue about Dibble’s tweets about him instead of using his information to win the debate. Maybe Rogan (who has taken a more PC approach to his views given the size of his reach now) told Hancock he couldn’t go all in on making Dibble look bad. If you saw the Bart Sibrel episode from last week (moon landing is a hoax guy—which I think is true lol) Joe was arguing against Sibrel’s “theory” even though he’s gone on record saying he believes the moon landing was a hoax, too. It made me think Joe must have people behind the scenes telling him he can’t be too extreme if he wants to keep his status as #1 podcast in the world.
Either way, had Hancock asked him to go to the sites, Dibble would have scoffed (like he did the entire episode) and say it wasn’t worth his time.
Loved this - thanks!
Putting this link here for you to poke around this channel, John, just in case you've never seen it - you will love his work:
https://youtube.com/@MatthewLaCroix
Oh shit this is right up my alley. Thanks for sharing it and enjoying this post!!
Absolutely! I post his stuff in What I'm Watching often - I make it a habit to follow his work. Hancock and others are teaming up with him to make a film about the Lake Von discovery and their interpretations, especially as it relates to altering the accepted timeline. I'm excited to see where that goes.
Haven’t heard of that one yet. It sounds awesome.
Thank you John. I think Hancock is much closer to the Truth than Dibble.
The CIA is an outpost of Orion and they take their marching orders from those Psycho Aliens hence the mess we have today.
Interesting! I’d love to hear more.
I agree with you on Hancock. He’s on a never ending quest for the truth. So are we. It’s what separates us from the other side who are so stuck in their ways.
Any and all "establishments" and mainstream societies or cultists get extremely upset if anyone dares to challenge their presumed laws and beliefs about how things work or how things were. So many of these fake experts garner rewards (fame and money) from inventing history and re-creating history as their masters dictate.
I have watched Hancock's show and found it rather interesting. When someone tries to uproot the firmly accepted dogma of the majority, I take notice. What we think we know about history could be completely different than what really happened. Remember, for any event in history, things happened only one way, just as they are happening today. I think in many instances what we present as established history is far from the truth.
Well said!
There’s an author local to me, Robert Bowie Johnson, who has several books on how Egypt and Greece are celebrations of this predeluvian culture (he believes in the literalness of Noah’s Ark). Many parallels. Major cultures, wiped out, then preserved through a dark time only to revive at a later time.
https://solvinglight.com/
Interesting… thanks for sharing and reading!
Hunter Gathering always has been parallel with all existing .
Just like ridin’ a bike.
The Left today is a toxic, dour, decaying ideology that seemingly seeks ever more power. I can't recall any leftist theorist who had a playful, curious, humanistic approach and engaged the public magnanimously. Prehistory can never be nailed down 100%, it is by its nature exploratory & based on hypothesis. I enjoy Hancock's speculative approach.
We've had one unrepentent descent into literal genocide by the international left, and they seem intent on doing a repeat. Why do we give the left any credence at all at this stage? They're our era's Nazi scourge.
“Prehistory can never be nailed down 100%, it is by its nature exploratory & based on hypothesis.”
Exactly! If more people start disagreeing with the left we could start quieting their voice.
Dibble also flatly denied that he accused Hancock of white supremacy even when presented with undeniable proof from his own writing. The guy came off as a total weasel from my perspective. Hancock has an uphill battle with these types because they have deemed themselves the one and only authorities on truth. They do not like researchers who colour outside of the lines.
Yep, and when the hiveminds on reddit and X get behind the “mainstream” side it just reeks of them trying to silence a voice who might be saying something true.
The best argument against an ice age civilization that Dibble brought up was the dangerously low CO2 levels, which at the time would have reduced agricultural yields to untenable levels.
I've been following Hancock since Fingerprints. His ideas are, if nothing else, very interesting.
You might also dig Julian Jaynes' The Origin of Consciousness.
Danny Vendramini's Them and Us looks to be in a similar cryptohistoric vein. I haven't got to it yet.
Thanks for the suggestions I’ll definitely check them out! I agree with you on Dibble’s argument there, but I still think there’s a lot out there lying undiscovered/never can be found.
It want dangerously low. We are at exact same co2 level now 400ppm
Nice read, John. I'm right behind Graham Hancock. If I were a young man, I'd study the lost ancient civilisations to PhD level and call Mr Hancock, my liege! He's been up against it right from day one, and kudos to the man for never backing down, sticking to what he believes is the truth. I have never swallowed imaginings purported in religions and other fictions without evidence, and there is ample to support Graham's claims of a lost age and a cataclysm that near wiped it off the face of the Earth. Can I recommend Christopher Dunn, Roland Carlson, UnchartedX, Ancient Architects and Bright Insight [on YouTube] and Hammet's Mill? Good to meet you.
Thanks, Gareth! Good to meet you too. Glad to have your voice in the discussions. I have to say I’ve thought about pursuing this on a full time basis and trying to reach out to some of the guys, like Hancock, who have been doing it.
Also, looks like we have similar taste, I’ve watched/listened to everyone you’ve mentioned outside of Hammet’s Mill. My followup post to this one actually discusses Christopher Dunn’s great pyramid theory. If you’re interested here’s the link:
https://open.substack.com/pub/thinkingman/p/the-great-pyramid-was-a-power-plant?r=1qfbta&utm_medium=ios
We have actively censored the past plunging ourselves in to ignorance and slavery.
What is there in the truth that we cannot bear to look upon it and would rather believe desolate lies.
I believe we will break out of it one day.
I don’t have to believe in God, I know. — Carl G Jung
The “thing” that prevents us from seeing the truth is a fear within ourselves. Anyone who stands up against the crowd can see and be the truth.
We remain in this state through our own fear. Look into that hole in recent history where nobody dares go, where all the books were burned, where men, women, and little children were locked up falsely accused as “witches/etc”.
The fear is within us.
Love that quote. Got anymore info on that time period you’re talking about?
Jesus and the Lost Goddess by Timothy Freke
The Darkening Age by Catherine Nixey
Creating Christ By James Valliant
James, Brother of Jesus by Robert Eisenman
…
Restored New Testament by Willis Barnstone
There are multiple holes in history. The one that really made me open my eyes is the “heretic” accusations by the holy roman tyrannical empire, and Irenaeus et.al. They murdered the Cathars, they murdered the Templars … and the Manichies, the Aztecs, Arians, etc. And hunted down and burned all their books, destroyed all their relics. Vespasian (burners of the Temple in Jerusalem) previously hunted down all the Druid priests in Europe.
Hitler repeated it, Stalin, Hillary in Libya recently. They are burning USA monuments and history today, in the name of tyranny, and nobody will stand up or can stand up.
This heresy against the Roman “universal” church is still standing forbidden today. Read Valentinus “Gospel of Truth”. It is hard to do, not because it is not a good translation but because our minds are programmed to not be able to see the concepts, ideas that would have been easily understood by anyone before the Jewish War.
There is more everywhere I look.
Funny you mention that. For the book club we do here we’ve been reading The Name of the Rose which history dumps the inquisitions of heretics during the Middle Ages
I have loved Graham Hancock since I first heard him and I read his books.
No I won't do ayuascha..but I think in the main he has it right. Backed up ably yr Randall Carlson...
And I do believe he has it r8ght for the most part.
Randall is the ultimate Renaissance brain. A humble geologist..he is a phenomenal teacher and a man for all seasons.
These guys b9th t9gether and apart..are a total education in themselves. Not 5o be missed watch them on YouTube before TPTB take them down.
He's more of an expert than the "experts".