I have trouble killing anything.. Even roaches which we have plenty of here in the south. A tiny army of ants were marching across my kitchen counter recently and surrounded the cat dish, I felt terrible about it but wiped them away with a wet paper towel... Because like you said they were in the wrong place... My house!.
You said it: its about convenience in the end, its about what works for us and what doesn't. I know plenty of people who have put a dog down than nurse them back to health or to allow them to live out their days till death was natural. It"s no fun realizing this, that it is often simply about convenience.
Ugh, I always feel terrible about ants! They’re fascinating, intelligent creatures, but we can’t (or won’t) both exist in the same place, so the ants have to go. It’s a convenience thing, and you’ve just made me realize that it’s also a territorial thing. Nature is like that—animals kill to protect their turf.
Dogs being put down is a strange one. Some people genuinely believe it’s a mercy, but we don’t extend the same ‘courtesy’ to humans, so I’m not so sure.
Weird how we all draw the line in different places. Admittedly, I don’t share your sympathy for roaches, and there’s a mosquito in our apartment right now which I’ll take a sadistic amount of pleasure in finally squashing.
truth be told, I'd slap a fly or mosquito without a seconds hesitation.. I tend to first run from a roach, but they too, cannot be residents in my home!!!
I have had to make the terrible choice to end a dogs life, in sickness and in old age. But for me it's about watching the signs, they will tell you when they do not want to live anymore, or struggle, or deal with their misery and pain... just like humans, who like you said it's illegal to help them go. But honestly that's what late stages of hospice/DNR care is all about. Pain medication and starvation/dehydration.
Shucky darn Melissa , if you need a pint of white vinegar to kill your lanternflys I'll give you one.
Just come pick it up, here are the directions to my place, hop on your subway and get off at the Wakefield, 241st St station. Take out you handy pocket compass and start walking on a 326 degree heading. Keep walking 3,262.4 miles and you'll be here. ;-)
If those bugs leave mold and you have wood. Classify the beetle when you find it and check your wooden furniture. Sorry you guys are dealing with invasive pests wrecking havoc on your ecosystem and have you questioning nature and the cycle of life. I think it boils down to is this harming or going to harm me based on observation, not just what the authorities say or maybe there's a repellant used in Asia that works it could help so as to avoid being stuck with the stigma of self with thinking you are just pulling the wings off a fly for fun. The mold aspect would freak me out. Moth balls, cedar sachets all of it. Omg can you imagine if it gets between your walls and mold happens there and grows. Nope, I'd be researching Korean repellents.
Luckily I haven’t seen the mold firsthand, but I wonder if there’s been an uptick in ‘mystery mold’ in houses or backyards.
The repellent is a good idea, and it makes sense to look for it In places where people know how to deal with these things (and might be a better alternative than waiting for them to half-kill our fig trees and then wiping them out).
I like your analysis of weighing whether or not you think the thing is likely to harm you. It’s why it’s kind of messed up to go out of your way to kill something minding its business outside, but when they’re in your house, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Have you gotten a zebo light thing? That would help too. It may help to see what they do and if mold is actually left as an excretion or if it's something that lives on or near mold like a woodworm. I don't care to deep dive it but if it has hatching larve I'd look into it. I mean it's not like they could really get rid of the pestilence that is communism over there and a work from China destroyed the orange crops here in FL. Look up drugstore beetles and they live in processed food or woodworm in shipping containers. So moths are light in comparison. You could get a bug zapping lamp if you aren't into spraying and such or plant stuff it won't eat that grows in the same climate. Globalization has brought all kinds of unintended consequences or were they? Lol.
It is a recent change in the collective worldview that views death as a great evil. I am not sure whether God would see it as such. In the case of an offending insect, given a bit of research into the impact of the species on local ecology, including the aesthetics from a human point of view, we can cause the demise of said insect with no effect on our conscience. Insects do not carry the weight of the Divine Image. And remember, there are 200 million insects for every human being on this favoured planet.
Deep philosophical thinking here Melissa. Wonderful because it demonstrates your inner consciousness is seeking the Divine within and without. I went through it about 25 years ago including a short stint in thinking maybe Buddhism is the key. I have been a pescatarian for most of my life as I could not fathom eating animals. I also know fish and plants feel pain too but animals have more conscience centers (Chakras) than them and we need to survive. Besides butterfly's who chose the Divine and exhibit it as demonstrated by becoming the butterfly I believe bugs are artificial creation and have no conscience and are like robots. I have no qualms killing them = nothing lost and often a gain. The bugs you note murder things of beauty which have Divine Consciences and are Invasive Predator Destroyers. Kill them. BTW: I eventually came to the conclusion that Buddhism's objective is to make people to accept virtually everything and not ACTIVE FREEWILL which protects our Consciousness. That is one of the Deceptions of the Buddha.
I have trouble killing anything.. Even roaches which we have plenty of here in the south. A tiny army of ants were marching across my kitchen counter recently and surrounded the cat dish, I felt terrible about it but wiped them away with a wet paper towel... Because like you said they were in the wrong place... My house!.
You said it: its about convenience in the end, its about what works for us and what doesn't. I know plenty of people who have put a dog down than nurse them back to health or to allow them to live out their days till death was natural. It"s no fun realizing this, that it is often simply about convenience.
Ugh, I always feel terrible about ants! They’re fascinating, intelligent creatures, but we can’t (or won’t) both exist in the same place, so the ants have to go. It’s a convenience thing, and you’ve just made me realize that it’s also a territorial thing. Nature is like that—animals kill to protect their turf.
Dogs being put down is a strange one. Some people genuinely believe it’s a mercy, but we don’t extend the same ‘courtesy’ to humans, so I’m not so sure.
Weird how we all draw the line in different places. Admittedly, I don’t share your sympathy for roaches, and there’s a mosquito in our apartment right now which I’ll take a sadistic amount of pleasure in finally squashing.
truth be told, I'd slap a fly or mosquito without a seconds hesitation.. I tend to first run from a roach, but they too, cannot be residents in my home!!!
I have had to make the terrible choice to end a dogs life, in sickness and in old age. But for me it's about watching the signs, they will tell you when they do not want to live anymore, or struggle, or deal with their misery and pain... just like humans, who like you said it's illegal to help them go. But honestly that's what late stages of hospice/DNR care is all about. Pain medication and starvation/dehydration.
Shucky darn Melissa , if you need a pint of white vinegar to kill your lanternflys I'll give you one.
Just come pick it up, here are the directions to my place, hop on your subway and get off at the Wakefield, 241st St station. Take out you handy pocket compass and start walking on a 326 degree heading. Keep walking 3,262.4 miles and you'll be here. ;-)
Haha! :)
If those bugs leave mold and you have wood. Classify the beetle when you find it and check your wooden furniture. Sorry you guys are dealing with invasive pests wrecking havoc on your ecosystem and have you questioning nature and the cycle of life. I think it boils down to is this harming or going to harm me based on observation, not just what the authorities say or maybe there's a repellant used in Asia that works it could help so as to avoid being stuck with the stigma of self with thinking you are just pulling the wings off a fly for fun. The mold aspect would freak me out. Moth balls, cedar sachets all of it. Omg can you imagine if it gets between your walls and mold happens there and grows. Nope, I'd be researching Korean repellents.
Luckily I haven’t seen the mold firsthand, but I wonder if there’s been an uptick in ‘mystery mold’ in houses or backyards.
The repellent is a good idea, and it makes sense to look for it In places where people know how to deal with these things (and might be a better alternative than waiting for them to half-kill our fig trees and then wiping them out).
I like your analysis of weighing whether or not you think the thing is likely to harm you. It’s why it’s kind of messed up to go out of your way to kill something minding its business outside, but when they’re in your house, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Have you gotten a zebo light thing? That would help too. It may help to see what they do and if mold is actually left as an excretion or if it's something that lives on or near mold like a woodworm. I don't care to deep dive it but if it has hatching larve I'd look into it. I mean it's not like they could really get rid of the pestilence that is communism over there and a work from China destroyed the orange crops here in FL. Look up drugstore beetles and they live in processed food or woodworm in shipping containers. So moths are light in comparison. You could get a bug zapping lamp if you aren't into spraying and such or plant stuff it won't eat that grows in the same climate. Globalization has brought all kinds of unintended consequences or were they? Lol.
It is a recent change in the collective worldview that views death as a great evil. I am not sure whether God would see it as such. In the case of an offending insect, given a bit of research into the impact of the species on local ecology, including the aesthetics from a human point of view, we can cause the demise of said insect with no effect on our conscience. Insects do not carry the weight of the Divine Image. And remember, there are 200 million insects for every human being on this favoured planet.
Deep philosophical thinking here Melissa. Wonderful because it demonstrates your inner consciousness is seeking the Divine within and without. I went through it about 25 years ago including a short stint in thinking maybe Buddhism is the key. I have been a pescatarian for most of my life as I could not fathom eating animals. I also know fish and plants feel pain too but animals have more conscience centers (Chakras) than them and we need to survive. Besides butterfly's who chose the Divine and exhibit it as demonstrated by becoming the butterfly I believe bugs are artificial creation and have no conscience and are like robots. I have no qualms killing them = nothing lost and often a gain. The bugs you note murder things of beauty which have Divine Consciences and are Invasive Predator Destroyers. Kill them. BTW: I eventually came to the conclusion that Buddhism's objective is to make people to accept virtually everything and not ACTIVE FREEWILL which protects our Consciousness. That is one of the Deceptions of the Buddha.